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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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hello and welcome to the skeptic zone

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episode number 359

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for the 6th of september 2015. richard

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saunders here with you from sydney

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australia

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today a few storms hanging about

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but never mind let's see if we can

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brighten up things with the skeptic zone

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this week and what's on the skeptic zone

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this week

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skeptics in the pub skeptics in the pub

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maynard and i headed for skeptics in the

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pub just a few days ago

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uh to hear the talk from wow what an

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interesting lady dr elena cuprianova

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from the australian museum a marine

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biologist talking about

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worms

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yes

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fascinating talk

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under sea worms and all sorts of things

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we really get some interesting talks at

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uh skeptics in the pub here in sydney

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first thursday of the month

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skeptics.com.u for more details

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so maynard will be chatting right at the

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top of the show to people at skeptics in

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the pub including yours truly uh

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well-known skeptic ken mcleod talking

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about the stop the australian

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vaccination network page on facebook

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and lots of pub goers where may not ask

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the big question what should skeptics

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steer clear of what topics

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and of course maynard will also be

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chatting to

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our guest speaker who was dr elena

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following that it's evidence please with

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joe alabaster

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runs around the australian paranormal

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and spiritual expo with her microphone

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getting interviews with all sorts of

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they're selling and

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pushing and promoting their various

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it's hard to say really you'll have to

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have a listen to joe's report

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aura readers and wax readers and animal

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communicators

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in the middle there she actually does

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talk to tim menden from australian

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skeptics now just a note about uh

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joe's report when we started we set up

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and i didn't notice that i'd set the

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wrong levels on her microphone so

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some of what you'll hear from joe is a

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it's what we call clipping or it's a

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little bit blown out

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it's a little bit

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not clear as it should be you'll able

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hear every word she says but bear that

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in mind that i did set the wrong

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settings sorry about that joe

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but the content is uh very interesting

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the australian skeptics had a table

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there we were there to field questions

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give out information about the

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australian skeptics

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lots of people coming up we gave away

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lots of magazines we bent spoons all day

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did some water divining

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very interesting stuff and a lot of

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there were some interesting debates i

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people who believe in all sorts of

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alternative things and talking to the

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dead and spirits and it's interesting

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how a lot of people can't quite

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articulate what they think they believe

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that's always an interesting discussion

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but thank you to pete banks for having

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the australian skeptics at the uh

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at the expo once again

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and then to round off the show it's

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also was running around the uh

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paranormal expo with her microphone

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this time she was talking to uh

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attendees just people

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who paid their money came along

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to find out what the expo was all about

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what does the average punter think of

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the expo find out at the end of the show

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with cignadine

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now don't forget you can meet me and joe

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and maynard and the ransom gift from the

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skeptic zone

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and heidi of course and lots of people

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at the upcoming australian skeptics

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national convention and that's going to

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be held in brisbane from the 16th to the

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18th of october not long to go

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get your tickets now just google

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brisbane skeptics or australian skeptics

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national convention go to the website

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any way you can and get your tickets it

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promises to be a wonderful event strange

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skeptics national conventions are so

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interesting folks they really are no

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matter where you are in the world jump

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on that plane and come and join us

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especially if you live in queensland or

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i think you'll enjoy it very much but

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now it's time for me to run downstairs

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turn on the kettle

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the kettle here

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for fred the cat fred the cat is almost

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15 years old he's going well but

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he really enjoys his hot water bottle in

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the evening as a tip if you've got a cat

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and where you live is a bit cold

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cats love hot water bottles while i do

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with fred the cat i hope you enjoy

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here's maynard's spooky action

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yes it's skeptics at the pub where the

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skeptics come together in the pub and

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they drink and they talk about

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the day and i couldn't be more pumped in

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fries earthworms in the ocean may not

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that i imagine there's earthworms scuba

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gear or something but i'll be finding

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out that after the talk i think

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earthworms are very exciting i i agree i

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earthworm talk later on and what's the

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big word in the frog world today what's

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the breakup between miss piggy and

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kermit is the big thing

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people is a bit reverse of what we

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bonnet what what gets their goat but

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this time i'm going to be asking do you

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something perhaps that they shouldn't

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really get involved in and cause trouble

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other people who are better equipped to

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interesting because there are many

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atheists in the uh skeptical movement

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haven't met them or haven't had

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conversations with them it's just that

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hokey claims and things like that it's

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nothing there's nothing wrong with other

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people pursuing these other things and

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to tackle them and then we're better

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equipped to tackle what we tackle but so

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deeply held personal beliefs would you

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the one the things that on the skeptic

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zone in the past that i've mentioned or

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a torrent of rude emails are

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religion right said fred yeah right said

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buttons that's deeply dipping absolutely

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i mean the candidate has deep feelings

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should host the show he makes more sense

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than you do he does but but i remember

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homeopathy for kids people that makes

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people angry but homeopathy for pets

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also makes people really angry and it

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doesn't come up that often but people

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get people get mad because you know

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life form going on but you know you're

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from yes people get very wrapped up in

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their pets that's in fact i'm often

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surprised at the level that that people

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pet woo no that's a whole show on itself

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i think maynard i think we should do

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that one day well one of the things i

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want to look into but i've never been

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able to get a sample of it or talk to

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anyone who has it if there's anyone

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listening actually i'm interested in the

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thunder jacket which is the jacket that

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the theory of it which i don't know if

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it's backed up with any science

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whatsoever is that you put it on the dog

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and it's like the dog getting a hug

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could be no scientific backing for that

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whatsoever but the thunderjacket sounds

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a bit rough to me maynard but you know

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about the thunder jacket but i know dogs

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that really do suffer from you know

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thunderstorms and they can sense when

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they're coming and they start shaking

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and getting very scared and

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that'll be a combination of their

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hearing being wider than ours and there

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maybe even their sense of smell like i

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guess the air would maybe smell

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different if they got 200 times the

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smell yeah so maybe a fake hug might do

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the trick we should we should run a

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study with dogs and find out a study on

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fake hugs that's another episode lately

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that's an interesting instagram coats

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i mean that i mean the best thing to do

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is what i do if there's a storm that is

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go hide in the bathroom which is great

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if you're in a nightclub yeah but not so

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good when you're visiting me yeah that's

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true yeah because i don't come out for

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hours

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i've corralled a well-known skeptic into

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the corner of the restaurant here at

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skeptics at the pub which should come

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along to the first thursday of each

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month for skeptics in the pub and who've

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we got here and how are you fitting into

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our skeptical movement well my name's

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ken macleod self-funded retiree very

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experienced

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stirrer and bureaucrat for many years

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one of the very early members of what's

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now called stop the australian

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anti-vaccination network or savn

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we've been going for six years and we've

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had a great many successes

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i'm sorry to you about the low interest

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rates we have at the moment for a

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self-funded retiree

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but

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what was the moment where you went right

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i've got to start this stop the avn what

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was the final straw that broke the ken's

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camel back okay um

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there were several things happening in

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the background i had a farm and they

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were in the middle of a horrific drought

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so there was nothing for me to do

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and so being an experienced uh stirrer

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i was sitting there in my office one day

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twiddling the thumbs and i saw i thought

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you would have gone for water witches or

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something like that well i i'd run out

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of grant applications i mean the money

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rolled in you know thanks to john howard

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and so on that kept us all afloat i mean

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financially not uh liquidally but

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i saw an interview

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with meryl

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an interview

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where she claimed that measles whooping

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cough and so i never killed any babies

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and that was this was just after the

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death of donna mccaffrey i also became

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aware at the same on the same day that

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meryl dory had

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harassed the ceo of the

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area health service demanding the

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medical files of the the baby who died

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and i thought this is just terrific

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something's got to be done

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who better than astura like myself so

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away it went and i thought this would be

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all over in three months

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but six years later what were you

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thinking ken

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well i was thinking i needed something

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to do and it worked out very well i i've

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established some wonderful friendships

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with great people

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we've achieved a hell of a lot in

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knocking quackery on the head i would

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say that our greatest victory is

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the handling of the press as well by the

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press and by politicians of anti-vaccine

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fruit loops and fruit loops generally

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the the concept that journalists always

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ran with was called false balance

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and look

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it used to happen in abc all the time it

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happens on lots of issues um because the

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main and i remember i tried to do a

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story on on vaccination and the story

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just wasn't done because

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my managers didn't want any trouble and

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that happens all the time and and not

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anymore

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it took a long time but we've now

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convinced the media that they don't have

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to present both sides of a story if one

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side is complete fruit loopery i mean

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you don't get the flat earth society in

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to debate the merits of global

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navigation i mean those days are over

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look ken i hate to uh rain on your

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parade here but within the last six

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months there has been a strong uptick in

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the flat earth conspiracy theory i don't

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like to use that word because i might

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conspiracy to the flat earth anomaly

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theory it's ticked up in the last six

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months can i oh yeah there'll always be

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uh rat bags cranks and so on out there

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but the difference now is that the media

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and the politicians and so on don't take

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them seriously

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but you might say a better analogy would

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be global warming

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now the media or some of it is still

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determined to present what's called both

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sides even though the science is well

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and truly closed i mean the jury's in

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etc global warming is happening as

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owning a farm i could see it happening

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but there's still some people out there

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who are denying it and the media are

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taking them seriously with any luck i

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suppose after the next el nino they

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might uh not take it you know take the

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anti

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uh

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case so seriously

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but anyway

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our battle has moved on from vaccines to

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chiropractors and homeopaths and so on

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and

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surprising how many chiropractors are

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anti-vaccines so that's where we're

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drifting you know shifting our focus

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look ken as a long-term stirrer what is

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the next pot to be stirred

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several things um

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certainly the anti-chiropractor or andy

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vaccine chiropractor

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field has to be addressed by parliament

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and i have to give all praise to our

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friend reasonable hank who has exposed

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them so wonderfully and i mean i had two

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years ago i had no idea what fruit loops

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these people were

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the other thing is the downgrading of

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the standards of universities who are

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now

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woman who got a masters in science

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for her anti-vaccine activities

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if you read her thesis you would know

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that this is hardly better than any

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mickey mouse comic you know walt disney

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could have done better

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all right so you've certainly got your

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future planned out for you and just to

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go back you said you had a history as a

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stirrer so before you got into the

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anti-vac stirring what were you stirring

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up before that when when you actually

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were growing something on the farm well

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it was even before i bought a farm i was

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a senior bureaucrat in search and rescue

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and

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towards the end of my career as i

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approached the tender age of 48

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i became aware of a case where a sailor

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who had died and yet should have been

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saved and there was a cover-up

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and

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i was asked to go along with the

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cover-up i said there's no way in the

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world i'm going to forge documents that

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are going to a coroner

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two days later i was made redundant the

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day after that i contacted the coroner

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and the day after that i contacted a

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senator friend of mine

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and i started writing questions to ask

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and send it estimates questions on

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notice and so on that went on for three

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years it led to a four corners program

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anyone that's really interested to go to

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four corners and uh search for red baron

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which was the name of the boat

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and uh i found that quite fulfilling i

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was retired on a farm and uh and the

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drought was still you know still getting

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underway i found

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really wonderful what you can do if you

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present the right case to the right

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people

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and have you always had this going on in

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your life have you always been the kid

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that was asking why in the classroom are

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you the person who is always annoying

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even other people's parents asking why

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is that

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no i i was the

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lovely quiet boy who sat in the back of

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the class and did i was told uh when i

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was a bureaucrat uh i was the you know

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the typical sir humphrey i never i never

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shook a stick anywhere

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the people i worked with were honorable

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i did you know in all those years i did

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many overseas trips with many people i

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never saw one person play up

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they were honorable people and i was

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absolutely horrified

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in

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when

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the sailor died should have been rescued

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and

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a cover-up was put in

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in way in in train

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and as an honorable public servant i

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just couldn't go along with it i would

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rather be made redundant

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than be made among

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well that's that's quite a stand you

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made there and do you see much of

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well you mentioned yes minister there

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how how close is that to truth in the

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way the bureaucracy works in this

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country is it is it is it close at all

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it was it was so close i think this the

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scripts were written in parliament house

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you know take your pick sydney

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parliament house or canberra

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that is actually how bureaucrats work

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times are changing bob hawk introduced

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reforms to the public service which

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freed up the the ministers

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you might say and freed up the senior

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public servants but the sad thing now is

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if a public servant or even a scientist

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offers advice that the minister doesn't

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like he gets the boot

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and that's why we think

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uh global warming has got such traction

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in the abbott government because they

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can sack any scientist any research

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program any senior bureaucrat anyone

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they like if they don't say what the

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minister wants to hear well ken the

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question i've been asking all the

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skeptics tonight is is one that will be

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difficult for you to answer such a

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stirrer is there any is there something

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that the skeptics shouldn't approach is

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there a topic that they shouldn't

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approach because either it's not

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particularly relevant it picks at

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people's deeply held beliefs is there a

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topic they should stay away from not

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really i mean anything that can be

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proven by science is fair game which is

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why i would advise people who think they

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are skeptics to stay away from religion

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because

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the existence of a god cannot be proved

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either way

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engaging in a discussion on it is

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absolutely pointless it's a waste of

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time

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don't even get involved get involved in

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things where you can make a difference

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and that would be global warming health

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you know chiropractors homeopaths and so

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on get involved if you see malfeasance

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speak up do something about it

556
00:20:13,990 --> 00:20:12,240
and what about politics because that is

557
00:20:16,390 --> 00:20:14,000
also something that really can't be

558
00:20:19,350 --> 00:20:16,400
empirically proven i guess

559
00:20:21,669 --> 00:20:19,360
well is certainly uh science politics

560
00:20:24,310 --> 00:20:21,679
should be based on the science and i'm

561
00:20:26,070 --> 00:20:24,320
certainly glad to see um

562
00:20:27,590 --> 00:20:26,080
the leader of the green senator richard

563
00:20:28,390 --> 00:20:27,600
de natale so

564
00:20:32,950 --> 00:20:28,400
so

565
00:20:34,789 --> 00:20:32,960
keen on the science of medicine and

566
00:20:36,789 --> 00:20:34,799
i don't see too much of that elsewhere

567
00:20:38,470 --> 00:20:36,799
labor yes um

568
00:20:40,149 --> 00:20:38,480
liberal maybe not so

569
00:20:41,669 --> 00:20:40,159
so uh to finish up with is there a

570
00:20:43,029 --> 00:20:41,679
website that you'd like to go to that

571
00:20:44,390 --> 00:20:43,039
you could recommend us so we should all

572
00:20:45,270 --> 00:20:44,400
have a bit of a look at

573
00:20:46,710 --> 00:20:45,280
well

574
00:20:49,430 --> 00:20:46,720
of course i've been offered the chance

575
00:20:52,789 --> 00:20:49,440
to give my own group a pluck

576
00:20:54,630 --> 00:20:52,799
we run only on a facebook page

577
00:20:57,270 --> 00:20:54,640
we don't have fancy web

578
00:20:59,270 --> 00:20:57,280
pages we don't have brochures we don't

579
00:21:00,710 --> 00:20:59,280
have a budget

580
00:21:02,950 --> 00:21:00,720
we're not even an incorporated

581
00:21:07,270 --> 00:21:02,960
association so go to facebook and look

582
00:21:08,950 --> 00:21:07,280
for stop the avn so it's facebook

583
00:21:10,470 --> 00:21:08,960
dot com slash

584
00:21:12,710 --> 00:21:10,480
stop avn

585
00:21:14,390 --> 00:21:12,720
join the discussions i bet there'd be

586
00:21:16,070 --> 00:21:14,400
some butte discussions going on there

587
00:21:18,310 --> 00:21:16,080
from time to time or is it calmed down

588
00:21:20,230 --> 00:21:18,320
of recent days uh every now and then it

589
00:21:22,310 --> 00:21:20,240
comes down but every now and then an

590
00:21:24,310 --> 00:21:22,320
anti-vaccine fruit loop will come on and

591
00:21:25,750 --> 00:21:24,320
run the old stories you know the old

592
00:21:27,270 --> 00:21:25,760
challenges

593
00:21:28,950 --> 00:21:27,280
you know as if we haven't heard them all

594
00:21:30,390 --> 00:21:28,960
before you know we can see right through

595
00:21:32,149 --> 00:21:30,400
them but it certainly makes your day

596
00:21:35,110 --> 00:21:32,159
interesting

597
00:21:36,789 --> 00:21:35,120
thanks ken my pleasure

598
00:21:38,470 --> 00:21:36,799
we've got someone uh bending over in the

599
00:21:41,350 --> 00:21:38,480
corner getting some leads all set up who

600
00:21:43,190 --> 00:21:41,360
we got here uh josh okay josh what do

601
00:21:44,789 --> 00:21:43,200
you reckon the skeptics shouldn't get

602
00:21:46,870 --> 00:21:44,799
involved in i mean i always ask people

603
00:21:48,630 --> 00:21:46,880
what they should be poking your bib into

604
00:21:49,669 --> 00:21:48,640
what should they not maybe poke their

605
00:21:51,430 --> 00:21:49,679
bib into

606
00:21:53,590 --> 00:21:51,440
well i would think it'd be it'd have to

607
00:21:56,470 --> 00:21:53,600
be something which doesn't necessarily

608
00:21:59,510 --> 00:21:56,480
have a factual answer so it's a it's a

609
00:22:01,190 --> 00:21:59,520
it's an answer which depends on what the

610
00:22:03,110 --> 00:22:01,200
person feels or what the person is like

611
00:22:05,190 --> 00:22:03,120
is red wine better than white wine and

612
00:22:07,590 --> 00:22:05,200
how great is my suit

613
00:22:10,070 --> 00:22:07,600
i i think it's pretty great i frankly i

614
00:22:12,549 --> 00:22:10,080
mean that's yeah but i mean but

615
00:22:14,549 --> 00:22:12,559
it would defy a double blind test it's

616
00:22:17,350 --> 00:22:14,559
true i imagine some people would think

617
00:22:19,190 --> 00:22:17,360
that it was rather poor but i think

618
00:22:21,430 --> 00:22:19,200
it looks like the green of money to me

619
00:22:24,470 --> 00:22:21,440
that's true well it is from 1989 well

620
00:22:26,630 --> 00:22:24,480
there you go and and i i defy anyone to

621
00:22:28,710 --> 00:22:26,640
compare the 1989 australian economy to

622
00:22:31,350 --> 00:22:28,720
the one we've got now um two different

623
00:22:33,510 --> 00:22:31,360
countries yeah yeah pretty much

624
00:22:35,590 --> 00:22:33,520
okay yeah so uh will we put religion

625
00:22:37,430 --> 00:22:35,600
necessarily into this because it is a

626
00:22:38,470 --> 00:22:37,440
deeply held belief from a lot of people

627
00:22:40,149 --> 00:22:38,480
and

628
00:22:42,149 --> 00:22:40,159
you know although you can say look there

629
00:22:43,909 --> 00:22:42,159
probably isn't a god you can't

630
00:22:45,909 --> 00:22:43,919
definitely say there isn't

631
00:22:48,070 --> 00:22:45,919
yeah i think religion's one of those

632
00:22:48,870 --> 00:22:48,080
ones where

633
00:22:55,590 --> 00:22:48,880
as

634
00:22:56,630 --> 00:22:55,600
maybe yes we probably can't answer that

635
00:22:58,230 --> 00:22:56,640
but

636
00:23:00,549 --> 00:22:58,240
for instance if they if they're making

637
00:23:03,190 --> 00:23:00,559
claims about

638
00:23:04,950 --> 00:23:03,200
action of god in the real world then yes

639
00:23:06,230 --> 00:23:04,960
that is something that we can actually

640
00:23:07,830 --> 00:23:06,240
test you know

641
00:23:09,909 --> 00:23:07,840
did this miracle occur or is it

642
00:23:12,710 --> 00:23:09,919
completely explainable well

643
00:23:15,830 --> 00:23:12,720
that's religion but it is something that

644
00:23:17,350 --> 00:23:15,840
skepticism or science can test and can

645
00:23:18,310 --> 00:23:17,360
disprove

646
00:23:20,070 --> 00:23:18,320
okay

647
00:23:22,630 --> 00:23:20,080
the one that's come up already is the

648
00:23:24,310 --> 00:23:22,640
thundercoat for the cat or the dog that

649
00:23:25,909 --> 00:23:24,320
you put it on the cat or the dog and it

650
00:23:27,909 --> 00:23:25,919
makes them more gives them a bit of a

651
00:23:29,110 --> 00:23:27,919
hug with pressure on them and makes them

652
00:23:31,029 --> 00:23:29,120
feel better during thunderstorms

653
00:23:31,909 --> 00:23:31,039
fireworks etc that's come up already do

654
00:23:33,270 --> 00:23:31,919
you think that's something we should

655
00:23:34,789 --> 00:23:33,280
look into

656
00:23:38,149 --> 00:23:34,799
um

657
00:23:39,430 --> 00:23:38,159
it sounds like complete bunk to me wow

658
00:23:40,390 --> 00:23:39,440
okay

659
00:23:42,310 --> 00:23:40,400
frankly

660
00:23:43,510 --> 00:23:42,320
i don't see how that would work because

661
00:23:44,789 --> 00:23:43,520
how would it

662
00:23:46,310 --> 00:23:44,799
keep them

663
00:23:47,990 --> 00:23:46,320
well they've got a coat on already so

664
00:23:49,990 --> 00:23:48,000
i'd imagine they're warm

665
00:23:51,430 --> 00:23:50,000
but but if sometimes if a baby's crying

666
00:23:53,110 --> 00:23:51,440
and you wrap the baby in a blanket it

667
00:23:54,470 --> 00:23:53,120
stops crying maybe it's a seminar

668
00:23:55,990 --> 00:23:54,480
mechanism would happen with the dog or

669
00:23:58,149 --> 00:23:56,000
the cat

670
00:24:00,070 --> 00:23:58,159
potentially true potentially true or or

671
00:24:02,950 --> 00:24:00,080
is it just could you just cover them in

672
00:24:04,789 --> 00:24:02,960
like a like a a helmet so they can't see

673
00:24:06,149 --> 00:24:04,799
like you know how they transport uh

674
00:24:08,070 --> 00:24:06,159
dangerous animals just put something

675
00:24:09,750 --> 00:24:08,080
over their eyes well what happens when

676
00:24:11,590 --> 00:24:09,760
when i get a bit boisterous around the

677
00:24:13,590 --> 00:24:11,600
house people just throw a tarpon over me

678
00:24:15,830 --> 00:24:13,600
while i'm on the couch i shut up real

679
00:24:18,149 --> 00:24:15,840
quick

680
00:24:19,590 --> 00:24:18,159
uh yeah that's probably there you go why

681
00:24:20,870 --> 00:24:19,600
don't we just chuck our pollens over all

682
00:24:22,390 --> 00:24:20,880
the cats and dogs during spun

683
00:24:24,149 --> 00:24:22,400
thunderstorms there we go that will save

684
00:24:25,750 --> 00:24:24,159
a lot of money but so you reckon maybe

685
00:24:27,510 --> 00:24:25,760
go easy on the whole religion thing when

686
00:24:29,350 --> 00:24:27,520
it comes treading onto people's beliefs

687
00:24:30,549 --> 00:24:29,360
that are general

688
00:24:32,789 --> 00:24:30,559
yeah i

689
00:24:34,470 --> 00:24:32,799
i'm not sure about go easy as the right

690
00:24:37,269 --> 00:24:34,480
way right way to say that i just think

691
00:24:39,669 --> 00:24:37,279
it'd be respectful it's well it's more

692
00:24:42,390 --> 00:24:39,679
we don't have we don't necessarily have

693
00:24:44,149 --> 00:24:42,400
a bite in that game um just because it's

694
00:24:45,669 --> 00:24:44,159
not something that can be proved or

695
00:24:47,830 --> 00:24:45,679
disprove using

696
00:24:49,669 --> 00:24:47,840
the scientific method necessarily unless

697
00:24:51,190 --> 00:24:49,679
they're making a specific claim and

698
00:24:53,190 --> 00:24:51,200
what's the one you reckon

699
00:24:55,669 --> 00:24:53,200
is a no-brainer for the one you should

700
00:24:57,830 --> 00:24:55,679
be attacking at the moment or working on

701
00:24:59,990 --> 00:24:57,840
oh that one's a difficult one there's so

702
00:25:01,269 --> 00:25:00,000
many things um what's the thoughts one

703
00:25:02,630 --> 00:25:01,279
on everyone's got their own personal

704
00:25:04,630 --> 00:25:02,640
list what's on top of your own personal

705
00:25:06,149 --> 00:25:04,640
list i mean there's no wrong answer

706
00:25:09,190 --> 00:25:06,159
it's true um

707
00:25:11,669 --> 00:25:09,200
i mean personally the big one for me is

708
00:25:13,510 --> 00:25:11,679
uh science-based regulation

709
00:25:15,510 --> 00:25:13,520
i think i think you know you've got a

710
00:25:17,350 --> 00:25:15,520
government body you or you've got a you

711
00:25:19,669 --> 00:25:17,360
know a government organization they're

712
00:25:20,630 --> 00:25:19,679
ostensibly doing work on science say for

713
00:25:22,710 --> 00:25:20,640
instance you've got a medical

714
00:25:24,390 --> 00:25:22,720
association or anything like that they

715
00:25:26,630 --> 00:25:24,400
should be making those decisions based

716
00:25:28,870 --> 00:25:26,640
on science not opinion

717
00:25:30,789 --> 00:25:28,880
and lobbying it should be based on the

718
00:25:32,149 --> 00:25:30,799
science that they're actually trying to

719
00:25:33,750 --> 00:25:32,159
regulate

720
00:25:35,990 --> 00:25:33,760
that's the big one for me

721
00:25:37,350 --> 00:25:36,000
so to actually have a go at lobbyists

722
00:25:39,750 --> 00:25:37,360
that's a toughy

723
00:25:41,830 --> 00:25:39,760
it is a toughy but i think i mean

724
00:25:43,190 --> 00:25:41,840
lobbyists paint a big target on

725
00:25:44,789 --> 00:25:43,200
themselves every time they open their

726
00:25:46,630 --> 00:25:44,799
big fat mouth so

727
00:25:48,149 --> 00:25:46,640
right so well recently we've had the

728
00:25:52,950 --> 00:25:48,159
whole the big big scandal with big

729
00:25:56,549 --> 00:25:55,110
i wasn't aware that was a thing

730
00:25:58,470 --> 00:25:56,559
i thought there was big vegemite i think

731
00:26:00,870 --> 00:25:58,480
you've got a big farmer you do have big

732
00:26:03,430 --> 00:26:00,880
farmers big vegemite

733
00:26:05,669 --> 00:26:03,440
is that just big craft or is it a big

734
00:26:07,510 --> 00:26:05,679
craft about that because you know the

735
00:26:09,190 --> 00:26:07,520
trees you know because they know they

736
00:26:10,549 --> 00:26:09,200
start with the vegemite's at thin end to

737
00:26:12,549 --> 00:26:10,559
the wedge the next thing is that the

738
00:26:14,789 --> 00:26:12,559
chip the spreadable cheese will be next

739
00:26:16,310 --> 00:26:14,799
yeah and what's with that string cheese

740
00:26:18,630 --> 00:26:16,320
stuff anyway it's like rubber like

741
00:26:20,230 --> 00:26:18,640
seriously that's that can't be cheese i

742
00:26:22,870 --> 00:26:20,240
think you can use it as a car part if

743
00:26:24,789 --> 00:26:22,880
necessary oh that's why they've done it

744
00:26:26,549 --> 00:26:24,799
i know i once i jump started a datsun

745
00:26:28,070 --> 00:26:26,559
with some of that cheese

746
00:26:31,590 --> 00:26:28,080
i'm sure you can dump some datsun with

747
00:26:35,269 --> 00:26:32,950
well here's someone who's just been

748
00:26:37,510 --> 00:26:35,279
busting to talk who we got here gary

749
00:26:39,110 --> 00:26:37,520
gary now tell me what should skeptics

750
00:26:41,590 --> 00:26:39,120
not what's a topic they shouldn't tackle

751
00:26:43,830 --> 00:26:41,600
gary well i've given this a great deal

752
00:26:45,350 --> 00:26:43,840
of consideration i can tell you have as

753
00:26:46,710 --> 00:26:45,360
in sort of the last five minutes sort of

754
00:26:49,110 --> 00:26:46,720
when i walked up

755
00:26:50,390 --> 00:26:49,120
and saw iggy azalea in her underwear on

756
00:26:53,190 --> 00:26:50,400
the corner

757
00:26:55,190 --> 00:26:53,200
uh looking rather bemused

758
00:26:57,510 --> 00:26:55,200
okay um and i've come to the

759
00:26:59,669 --> 00:26:57,520
consideration that the skeptic should

760
00:27:00,789 --> 00:26:59,679
certainly keep out of the fashion

761
00:27:01,750 --> 00:27:00,799
industry

762
00:27:03,029 --> 00:27:01,760
well what do you think the suit i'm

763
00:27:04,710 --> 00:27:03,039
wearing the suit i'm wearing is fairly

764
00:27:06,870 --> 00:27:04,720
impressive and you could test that in a

765
00:27:09,029 --> 00:27:06,880
double-blind experiment i'm sure

766
00:27:12,230 --> 00:27:09,039
well i suspect that your tailor may

767
00:27:14,310 --> 00:27:12,240
indeed be both be double blind

768
00:27:16,950 --> 00:27:14,320
but apart from that the issue with the

769
00:27:18,830 --> 00:27:16,960
fashion industry is a supposition that

770
00:27:22,870 --> 00:27:18,840
if you wear their

771
00:27:26,630 --> 00:27:22,880
particular product it is both stylish

772
00:27:28,789 --> 00:27:26,640
and attractive and i would argue that a

773
00:27:31,830 --> 00:27:28,799
skeptical point of view would have to

774
00:27:34,630 --> 00:27:31,840
require a comparison between

775
00:27:37,350 --> 00:27:34,640
the clothes with the clothes

776
00:27:39,269 --> 00:27:37,360
the clothes horse without clothes and

777
00:27:41,669 --> 00:27:39,279
the clothes horse with alternative

778
00:27:43,909 --> 00:27:41,679
clothes for that proposition to be

779
00:27:45,909 --> 00:27:43,919
accurately testable and i can foresee

780
00:27:47,110 --> 00:27:45,919
that this would be an absolute

781
00:27:48,390 --> 00:27:47,120
minefield

782
00:27:49,510 --> 00:27:48,400
well we've heard what gary had to say

783
00:27:51,909 --> 00:27:49,520
what do you think skeptics should not

784
00:27:54,389 --> 00:27:51,919
get involved with i think a popular one

785
00:27:56,950 --> 00:27:54,399
is religion but that there are aspects

786
00:27:58,549 --> 00:27:56,960
of religion which we should get involved

787
00:28:00,870 --> 00:27:58,559
in there there's an aspect that we

788
00:28:03,350 --> 00:28:00,880
shouldn't so we should we should stick

789
00:28:04,870 --> 00:28:03,360
to provable claims so as was mentioned

790
00:28:06,230 --> 00:28:04,880
earlier if a religion makes a claim

791
00:28:08,549 --> 00:28:06,240
about a miracle maybe that could be

792
00:28:11,110 --> 00:28:08,559
investigated where the actual existence

793
00:28:12,549 --> 00:28:11,120
of a deity can't

794
00:28:14,549 --> 00:28:12,559
well yeah i mean

795
00:28:16,630 --> 00:28:14,559
a few religions do make claims of

796
00:28:18,950 --> 00:28:16,640
miracles and and

797
00:28:20,870 --> 00:28:18,960
you basically you have to take the the

798
00:28:23,029 --> 00:28:20,880
stance that um

799
00:28:25,110 --> 00:28:23,039
well where's the evidence for it and

800
00:28:26,549 --> 00:28:25,120
they come up with all sorts of stories

801
00:28:28,389 --> 00:28:26,559
all sorts of

802
00:28:30,789 --> 00:28:28,399
anecdotes and um

803
00:28:32,789 --> 00:28:30,799
it never really ends

804
00:28:35,190 --> 00:28:32,799
okay thanks

805
00:28:37,110 --> 00:28:35,200
well i have just learned a whole bunch

806
00:28:37,830 --> 00:28:37,120
about worms that live in the sea in fact

807
00:28:40,389 --> 00:28:37,840
i'm

808
00:28:42,149 --> 00:28:40,399
maybe i should use the term seaworms but

809
00:28:43,430 --> 00:28:42,159
who are you what is your qualification

810
00:28:46,389 --> 00:28:43,440
and what were you just telling us all

811
00:28:48,389 --> 00:28:46,399
about okay uh i am a research scientist

812
00:28:50,549 --> 00:28:48,399
at the australian museum i'm a marine

813
00:28:51,990 --> 00:28:50,559
biologist a zoologist by training

814
00:28:55,190 --> 00:28:52,000
obviously

815
00:28:55,990 --> 00:28:55,200
i have a phd from my flinders university

816
00:28:57,830 --> 00:28:56,000
and

817
00:29:00,470 --> 00:28:57,840
i'm originally from russia so where i

818
00:29:03,909 --> 00:29:00,480
did my undergraduate okay and uh and

819
00:29:06,230 --> 00:29:03,919
what was your name my name is

820
00:29:09,990 --> 00:29:06,240
and what attracted you to this

821
00:29:10,950 --> 00:29:10,000
particular subset of zoology

822
00:29:12,710 --> 00:29:10,960
um

823
00:29:15,430 --> 00:29:12,720
well i always wanted to be marine

824
00:29:17,750 --> 00:29:15,440
biologist since i was a child

825
00:29:18,549 --> 00:29:17,760
no but i never was actually fascinated

826
00:29:21,350 --> 00:29:18,559
by

827
00:29:24,310 --> 00:29:21,360
large animals like whales or dolphins

828
00:29:26,549 --> 00:29:24,320
like most kids are not even fish yeah

829
00:29:29,190 --> 00:29:26,559
i've always wanted to study marine

830
00:29:30,789 --> 00:29:29,200
invertebrates that just happened to be

831
00:29:32,310 --> 00:29:30,799
have you got any idea where you picked

832
00:29:33,669 --> 00:29:32,320
that up from the family were you on a

833
00:29:35,110 --> 00:29:33,679
holiday somewhere did you see it in a

834
00:29:35,990 --> 00:29:35,120
book any idea where you picked that up

835
00:29:41,430 --> 00:29:36,000
from

836
00:29:43,430 --> 00:29:41,440
all my family members are normal people

837
00:29:45,269 --> 00:29:43,440
not crazy warm figures

838
00:29:46,789 --> 00:29:45,279
oh so you're the crazy one when you turn

839
00:29:48,070 --> 00:29:46,799
up for christmas you're oh she said oh

840
00:29:49,269 --> 00:29:48,080
she doesn't and then they do the funny

841
00:29:52,310 --> 00:29:49,279
thing with the finger around the head

842
00:29:55,510 --> 00:29:53,830
but and how many of people would they be

843
00:29:57,029 --> 00:29:55,520
studying it worldwide you said 200

844
00:29:58,389 --> 00:29:57,039
people turned up at a conference in

845
00:30:00,549 --> 00:29:58,399
australia for it but how many people

846
00:30:01,990 --> 00:30:00,559
would be in your field worldwide

847
00:30:04,950 --> 00:30:02,000
well it's difficult to say what the

848
00:30:06,870 --> 00:30:04,960
field is because um some people

849
00:30:09,029 --> 00:30:06,880
dedicate their studies to worms for

850
00:30:12,389 --> 00:30:09,039
example to their taxonomy their

851
00:30:14,870 --> 00:30:12,399
systematics their behavior etc but lots

852
00:30:17,510 --> 00:30:14,880
of lots of other researchers just use

853
00:30:19,909 --> 00:30:17,520
worms as models for their studies so

854
00:30:21,669 --> 00:30:19,919
they use them to answer questions

855
00:30:22,950 --> 00:30:21,679
so it's

856
00:30:25,750 --> 00:30:22,960
yeah so

857
00:30:27,430 --> 00:30:25,760
i would say thousands and thousands okay

858
00:30:28,789 --> 00:30:27,440
i've spoken to people who are into frogs

859
00:30:30,710 --> 00:30:28,799
and there's a bit of a buzz in the world

860
00:30:32,710 --> 00:30:30,720
of frogs about the occasional rare frog

861
00:30:34,950 --> 00:30:32,720
that turns up what's the big buzz in the

862
00:30:36,230 --> 00:30:34,960
word in the world of sea worms

863
00:30:37,590 --> 00:30:36,240
what's the big thing that's been

864
00:30:39,190 --> 00:30:37,600
discovered lately and everyone went wow

865
00:30:42,149 --> 00:30:39,200
we didn't expect that

866
00:30:45,029 --> 00:30:42,159
well i actually covered that in my talk

867
00:30:46,630 --> 00:30:45,039
that was a discovery of acidics the bone

868
00:30:48,070 --> 00:30:46,640
devouring worms

869
00:30:49,269 --> 00:30:48,080
that

870
00:30:51,909 --> 00:30:49,279
have

871
00:30:54,950 --> 00:30:51,919
really bizarre dwarf larvae

872
00:30:57,590 --> 00:30:54,960
so this yeah this was described in 2004

873
00:30:59,110 --> 00:30:57,600
by my colleague dr greg rouse who

874
00:31:01,830 --> 00:30:59,120
actually was my

875
00:31:03,510 --> 00:31:01,840
postdoctoral supervisor now i'd like to

876
00:31:05,350 --> 00:31:03,520
ask you to explain to us because a lot

877
00:31:06,149 --> 00:31:05,360
of us we don't live in the academic

878
00:31:08,310 --> 00:31:06,159
world

879
00:31:10,389 --> 00:31:08,320
how does the excitement feel when you

880
00:31:12,149 --> 00:31:10,399
get sent a slide or a photo of something

881
00:31:13,830 --> 00:31:12,159
that's never been seen before how do you

882
00:31:15,029 --> 00:31:13,840
how exciting is that for you as a

883
00:31:17,029 --> 00:31:15,039
scientist

884
00:31:18,950 --> 00:31:17,039
oh that's that's the best thing in the

885
00:31:20,549 --> 00:31:18,960
world actually just you feel your heart

886
00:31:22,310 --> 00:31:20,559
racing it's like yeah it might be

887
00:31:25,029 --> 00:31:22,320
something really exciting something that

888
00:31:25,990 --> 00:31:25,039
nobody ever seen before no it's yeah

889
00:31:28,310 --> 00:31:26,000
it's very

890
00:31:29,750 --> 00:31:28,320
high basically inside in science well

891
00:31:32,310 --> 00:31:29,760
and also it gives us a bit of a hint at

892
00:31:34,710 --> 00:31:32,320
what exobiology might be if there was

893
00:31:36,310 --> 00:31:34,720
any life say on one of the oceans of one

894
00:31:37,509 --> 00:31:36,320
of the moons or of titan or something

895
00:31:39,430 --> 00:31:37,519
like that that there might be something

896
00:31:41,029 --> 00:31:39,440
under there that might resemble what we

897
00:31:43,830 --> 00:31:41,039
looked at the screen today

898
00:31:45,350 --> 00:31:43,840
yeah that's quite possible yeah wow now

899
00:31:46,870 --> 00:31:45,360
i've seen some great stuff some great

900
00:31:48,630 --> 00:31:46,880
photos here tonight what's a great

901
00:31:50,310 --> 00:31:48,640
website for people to go to and find out

902
00:31:52,630 --> 00:31:50,320
more about your studies

903
00:31:55,029 --> 00:31:52,640
well i have to say that um

904
00:31:57,029 --> 00:31:55,039
do come to the site of australian museum

905
00:31:58,789 --> 00:31:57,039
yes okay and and where do they look on

906
00:32:01,430 --> 00:31:58,799
the site is it under is it under sea

907
00:32:03,269 --> 00:32:01,440
worms or what what section

908
00:32:05,190 --> 00:32:03,279
australian museum research institute and

909
00:32:07,430 --> 00:32:05,200
the projects and we have lots and lots

910
00:32:08,470 --> 00:32:07,440
of information on marine worms great

911
00:32:24,149 --> 00:32:08,480
well thank you very much for your talk

912
00:32:28,389 --> 00:32:26,549
welcome to a week in science from ri oz

913
00:32:29,350 --> 00:32:28,399
bringing you the science you need to

914
00:32:33,990 --> 00:32:29,360
know

915
00:32:40,070 --> 00:32:34,000
that

916
00:32:44,070 --> 00:32:42,470
galileo galilei was born in italy in

917
00:32:46,070 --> 00:32:44,080
1564.

918
00:32:49,190 --> 00:32:46,080
while studying medicine at university he

919
00:32:51,269 --> 00:32:49,200
did what so many students do and no not

920
00:32:53,190 --> 00:32:51,279
get horribly drunk found that his

921
00:32:56,070 --> 00:32:53,200
interest lay in a different field and

922
00:32:58,230 --> 00:32:56,080
changed his area of study luckily for us

923
00:33:00,630 --> 00:32:58,240
he discovered his passion in geometry

924
00:33:02,389 --> 00:33:00,640
and became a mathematician during his

925
00:33:04,950 --> 00:33:02,399
work as a mathematician he changed the

926
00:33:07,110 --> 00:33:04,960
theory of gravity the previous theory

927
00:33:10,310 --> 00:33:07,120
devised by aristotle said that heavier

928
00:33:12,630 --> 00:33:10,320
objects fall faster galileo showed all

929
00:33:14,310 --> 00:33:12,640
objects fell at the same speed after

930
00:33:16,470 --> 00:33:14,320
several years he moves the university of

931
00:33:18,789 --> 00:33:16,480
padua which is where his most famous

932
00:33:20,789 --> 00:33:18,799
story starts it is here that he built

933
00:33:22,830 --> 00:33:20,799
his telescope and started observing the

934
00:33:25,750 --> 00:33:22,840
movements of the

935
00:33:27,830 --> 00:33:25,760
planets with his telescope galileo

936
00:33:29,990 --> 00:33:27,840
discovered the mountains on the moon and

937
00:33:32,070 --> 00:33:30,000
the moons of jupiter but what made

938
00:33:34,470 --> 00:33:32,080
galileo famous was his confirmation of

939
00:33:36,789 --> 00:33:34,480
copernicus theory of planets orbiting

940
00:33:39,029 --> 00:33:36,799
the sun and not the earth as religious

941
00:33:40,549 --> 00:33:39,039
doctrine had stated the discovery of

942
00:33:42,470 --> 00:33:40,559
jupiter's moons showed that not

943
00:33:44,549 --> 00:33:42,480
everything orbits the earth and the

944
00:33:45,590 --> 00:33:44,559
phases of venus show that it orbits of

945
00:33:47,509 --> 00:33:45,600
the sun

946
00:33:49,590 --> 00:33:47,519
galileo realized that all planets

947
00:33:52,630 --> 00:33:49,600
including earth orbit the sun and

948
00:33:54,470 --> 00:33:52,640
published this theory in 1632. for going

949
00:33:56,950 --> 00:33:54,480
against religious dogma the catholic

950
00:33:59,350 --> 00:33:56,960
church found galileo guilty of heresy

951
00:34:01,830 --> 00:33:59,360
imprisoned him and banned his book it

952
00:34:03,909 --> 00:34:01,840
was only in 1992 that the catholic

953
00:34:06,470 --> 00:34:03,919
church pardoned galileo

954
00:34:09,190 --> 00:34:06,480
and now four fast facts about planetary

955
00:34:13,909 --> 00:34:11,430
a common misconception is that galileo

956
00:34:16,310 --> 00:34:13,919
wasn't religious in fact he was a devout

957
00:34:18,869 --> 00:34:16,320
catholic galileo thought the planets

958
00:34:20,950 --> 00:34:18,879
orbited the sun in circular orbits

959
00:34:23,430 --> 00:34:20,960
laser kepler found that these orbits are

960
00:34:25,270 --> 00:34:23,440
in fact elliptical or oval shaped the

961
00:34:27,589 --> 00:34:25,280
elliptical orbits mean the earth's

962
00:34:29,990 --> 00:34:27,599
distance from the sun varies by around

963
00:34:32,389 --> 00:34:30,000
five million kilometers and earth's

964
00:34:35,109 --> 00:34:32,399
speed as it orbits the sun is around 30

965
00:34:37,190 --> 00:34:35,119
kilometers per second that's it for this

966
00:34:38,629 --> 00:34:37,200
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967
00:34:42,790 --> 00:34:38,639
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968
00:34:45,669 --> 00:34:42,800
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969
00:34:48,629 --> 00:34:45,679
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970
00:35:02,069 --> 00:34:48,639
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971
00:35:06,950 --> 00:35:04,470
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972
00:35:09,030 --> 00:35:06,960
science show in french hosted by a bunch

973
00:35:11,510 --> 00:35:09,040
of crazy enthusiasts

974
00:35:13,829 --> 00:35:11,520
we are convinced that the greatest ideas

975
00:35:15,829 --> 00:35:13,839
in science are quite easy to grasp as

976
00:35:18,470 --> 00:35:15,839
long as they are presented with passion

977
00:35:20,950 --> 00:35:18,480
using a vocabulary common to all curious

978
00:35:22,150 --> 00:35:20,960
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979
00:35:24,310 --> 00:35:22,160
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980
00:35:25,589 --> 00:35:24,320
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981
00:35:27,190 --> 00:35:25,599
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982
00:35:29,030 --> 00:35:27,200
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983
00:35:31,190 --> 00:35:29,040
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984
00:35:33,829 --> 00:35:31,200
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985
00:35:36,390 --> 00:35:33,839
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986
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987
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989
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990
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991
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992
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994
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995
00:35:59,589 --> 00:35:57,200
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996
00:36:14,870 --> 00:35:59,599
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997
00:36:19,270 --> 00:36:17,270
what we want is some more evidence

998
00:36:24,550 --> 00:36:19,280
please

999
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:31,190
hello this is joe alabasta

1000
00:36:37,270 --> 00:36:34,790
well i'm here at casulla powerhouse at

1001
00:36:39,670 --> 00:36:37,280
the australian paranormal and spiritual

1002
00:36:42,390 --> 00:36:39,680
expo just taking a wander around the

1003
00:36:43,829 --> 00:36:42,400
room before we get started that's the

1004
00:36:46,310 --> 00:36:43,839
beginning of the day and we've got lots

1005
00:36:48,870 --> 00:36:46,320
and lots of stores here heaps of tables

1006
00:36:50,470 --> 00:36:48,880
there is the australian skeptics table

1007
00:36:53,829 --> 00:36:50,480
there are a lot of other tables we've

1008
00:36:55,030 --> 00:36:53,839
got some aura and chakra imaging we've

1009
00:36:57,670 --> 00:36:55,040
got

1010
00:36:58,550 --> 00:36:57,680
we've been waved out here

1011
00:37:00,710 --> 00:36:58,560
well

1012
00:37:03,349 --> 00:37:00,720
this is the important lady this is

1013
00:37:06,310 --> 00:37:03,359
bianca hello hello bianca what are you

1014
00:37:08,470 --> 00:37:06,320
doing here today um i talk to animals

1015
00:37:11,030 --> 00:37:08,480
i'm an animal communicator oh talk to

1016
00:37:12,390 --> 00:37:11,040
animals so do they do they talk back oh

1017
00:37:13,270 --> 00:37:12,400
yes

1018
00:37:14,950 --> 00:37:13,280
goodness

1019
00:37:16,950 --> 00:37:14,960
what sort of things what sort of things

1020
00:37:18,710 --> 00:37:16,960
are animals saying to you

1021
00:37:21,510 --> 00:37:18,720
um animals are saying that it's really

1022
00:37:23,109 --> 00:37:21,520
important to connect up so that we are

1023
00:37:25,190 --> 00:37:23,119
all you know having a really great

1024
00:37:26,950 --> 00:37:25,200
relationship together and that we all

1025
00:37:29,990 --> 00:37:26,960
live in love and harmony

1026
00:37:33,030 --> 00:37:30,000
okay so respecting animals and

1027
00:37:35,030 --> 00:37:33,040
respecting animals they share with us

1028
00:37:37,430 --> 00:37:35,040
what they feel what they think what goes

1029
00:37:39,510 --> 00:37:37,440
on for them and how we can help them but

1030
00:37:41,349 --> 00:37:39,520
also how they can help us

1031
00:37:42,790 --> 00:37:41,359
and can anybody speak with an animal or

1032
00:37:43,829 --> 00:37:42,800
is this a special thing that you're able

1033
00:37:45,270 --> 00:37:43,839
to do

1034
00:37:47,109 --> 00:37:45,280
everybody can learn how to speak to

1035
00:37:49,190 --> 00:37:47,119
animals absolutely so i also run

1036
00:37:50,950 --> 00:37:49,200
workshops and i do long-term

1037
00:37:53,190 --> 00:37:50,960
relationships with the people as well to

1038
00:37:57,190 --> 00:37:53,200
work with their animals my website is

1039
00:38:00,630 --> 00:37:58,950
the steering skeptics table is just up

1040
00:38:02,150 --> 00:38:00,640
there where the battery is

1041
00:38:05,349 --> 00:38:02,160
yeah

1042
00:38:07,829 --> 00:38:05,359
we also have a 100 000 prize

1043
00:38:09,589 --> 00:38:07,839
if you can demonstrate under agreed

1044
00:38:11,670 --> 00:38:09,599
conditions that you can

1045
00:38:13,030 --> 00:38:11,680
talk that animals can communicate with

1046
00:38:14,870 --> 00:38:13,040
you other than

1047
00:38:15,990 --> 00:38:14,880
purrings or grunts or squeaks or

1048
00:38:17,270 --> 00:38:16,000
something like that and give you real

1049
00:38:19,030 --> 00:38:17,280
messages you get a hundred thousand

1050
00:38:20,550 --> 00:38:19,040
dollars

1051
00:38:22,950 --> 00:38:20,560
it's right there

1052
00:38:24,870 --> 00:38:22,960
okay here you go i wonder fred could be

1053
00:38:26,790 --> 00:38:24,880
in on the testing fred yeah mike

1054
00:38:29,349 --> 00:38:26,800
he talks to me all the time

1055
00:38:32,630 --> 00:38:29,359
he's very talkative

1056
00:38:35,430 --> 00:38:32,640
wow okay yeah that's awesome

1057
00:38:38,150 --> 00:38:35,440
and wandering around the paranormal

1058
00:38:40,310 --> 00:38:38,160
convention here i've come across

1059
00:38:42,550 --> 00:38:40,320
a stall that is the sort of thing that

1060
00:38:43,510 --> 00:38:42,560
i'd usually see it mind body spirit

1061
00:38:45,510 --> 00:38:43,520
actually

1062
00:38:47,430 --> 00:38:45,520
there's a gentleman here

1063
00:38:49,829 --> 00:38:47,440
who is

1064
00:38:51,670 --> 00:38:49,839
goodness he's got this mechanical device

1065
00:38:52,630 --> 00:38:51,680
with an antenna

1066
00:38:57,270 --> 00:38:52,640
and

1067
00:38:59,270 --> 00:38:57,280
imaging

1068
00:39:00,950 --> 00:38:59,280
the hashtag for this stall because the

1069
00:39:03,190 --> 00:39:00,960
stall has a hashtag

1070
00:39:05,829 --> 00:39:03,200
um this gentleman's business is hashtag

1071
00:39:07,030 --> 00:39:05,839
no guesswork

1072
00:39:08,710 --> 00:39:07,040
and

1073
00:39:11,829 --> 00:39:08,720
goodness he's just speaking to somebody

1074
00:39:13,109 --> 00:39:11,839
at the moment a client

1075
00:39:15,829 --> 00:39:13,119
i think she might be he's actually

1076
00:39:18,790 --> 00:39:15,839
selling crystals as well as this

1077
00:39:21,109 --> 00:39:18,800
chakra and aura reading

1078
00:39:22,310 --> 00:39:21,119
which will give you he'll do the reading

1079
00:39:24,790 --> 00:39:22,320
with his

1080
00:39:26,870 --> 00:39:24,800
device with an antenna and a meter i'm

1081
00:39:29,030 --> 00:39:26,880
not exactly sure what it is

1082
00:39:31,750 --> 00:39:29,040
and you get an image print out and a

1083
00:39:34,310 --> 00:39:31,760
wellness report for seventy dollars

1084
00:39:37,349 --> 00:39:34,320
including gst

1085
00:39:38,950 --> 00:39:37,359
we were speaking with him earlier he has

1086
00:39:41,750 --> 00:39:38,960
purchased this machine it's russian

1087
00:39:43,109 --> 00:39:41,760
technology made in the usa and

1088
00:39:48,950 --> 00:39:43,119
the url is

1089
00:39:53,109 --> 00:39:50,550
we've got a sign out the front saying an

1090
00:39:54,950 --> 00:39:53,119
experimental electromagnetic measurement

1091
00:39:57,270 --> 00:39:54,960
and imaging process

1092
00:39:59,670 --> 00:39:57,280
it is the first aura imaging technology

1093
00:40:02,310 --> 00:39:59,680
which can create full color bio energy

1094
00:40:05,510 --> 00:40:02,320
charts of objects plants animals and

1095
00:40:07,910 --> 00:40:05,520
even ambient energy fields so its use is

1096
00:40:10,470 --> 00:40:07,920
unlimited just to give you a bit of

1097
00:40:12,550 --> 00:40:10,480
indica indication um what's going on

1098
00:40:15,030 --> 00:40:12,560
with these crystals these are quantified

1099
00:40:16,950 --> 00:40:15,040
crystals uh they do what they do in

1100
00:40:19,670 --> 00:40:16,960
google like if you google them okay what

1101
00:40:22,310 --> 00:40:19,680
this bloody citrine doing they do that

1102
00:40:24,310 --> 00:40:22,320
however because you're different i am

1103
00:40:26,630 --> 00:40:24,320
different you are vibrating in the

1104
00:40:28,950 --> 00:40:26,640
different level same thing with crystals

1105
00:40:30,790 --> 00:40:28,960
they have their different frequency not

1106
00:40:32,790 --> 00:40:30,800
all crystals are the same that is

1107
00:40:35,190 --> 00:40:32,800
science-based like for this one here if

1108
00:40:36,790 --> 00:40:35,200
you feel like picking this up yes it

1109
00:40:38,550 --> 00:40:36,800
does give you money in my opinion the

1110
00:40:40,790 --> 00:40:38,560
drinks gives you a lot of cash in my

1111
00:40:43,510 --> 00:40:40,800
opinion and what's that crystal sorry

1112
00:40:45,190 --> 00:40:43,520
this particular crystal this is citrine

1113
00:40:46,150 --> 00:40:45,200
it's all about success and abundance but

1114
00:40:48,550 --> 00:40:46,160
for me

1115
00:40:49,990 --> 00:40:48,560
it gives me physical money right okay

1116
00:40:52,470 --> 00:40:50,000
no-brainer

1117
00:40:54,630 --> 00:40:52,480
believe it or not yes it does however

1118
00:40:56,430 --> 00:40:54,640
this particular crystals which is i'm

1119
00:40:59,270 --> 00:40:56,440
holding right now it's running at

1120
00:41:01,030 --> 00:40:59,280
168 megahertz it doesn't mean to you it

1121
00:41:03,270 --> 00:41:01,040
doesn't mean anything to you

1122
00:41:05,030 --> 00:41:03,280
how can you tell that it's 160 because i

1123
00:41:07,270 --> 00:41:05,040
had these devices actually measured the

1124
00:41:08,870 --> 00:41:07,280
frequency the subtle energy of this

1125
00:41:09,990 --> 00:41:08,880
particular crystals i was hoping you'd

1126
00:41:11,750 --> 00:41:10,000
actually be able to tell us a little bit

1127
00:41:13,270 --> 00:41:11,760
more about the device if that's okay

1128
00:41:15,670 --> 00:41:13,280
fantastic the devices actually was

1129
00:41:18,069 --> 00:41:15,680
created in uh in russia and actually

1130
00:41:20,150 --> 00:41:18,079
made and it's been supplied in in

1131
00:41:21,349 --> 00:41:20,160
america okay and who created it you know

1132
00:41:23,030 --> 00:41:21,359
um um

1133
00:41:23,910 --> 00:41:23,040
the the company is called this resonant

1134
00:41:25,670 --> 00:41:23,920
uh

1135
00:41:27,670 --> 00:41:25,680
field imaging okay

1136
00:41:29,990 --> 00:41:27,680
and i am the sole distributor here in

1137
00:41:31,589 --> 00:41:30,000
australia and i'm doing this to sort of

1138
00:41:33,270 --> 00:41:31,599
measure the

1139
00:41:35,190 --> 00:41:33,280
frequencies of

1140
00:41:37,829 --> 00:41:35,200
human being so is it detecting

1141
00:41:39,589 --> 00:41:37,839
electromagnetic frequencies no not not

1142
00:41:41,510 --> 00:41:39,599
like it doesn't detect electromagnetic

1143
00:41:43,910 --> 00:41:41,520
frequencies it actually does detect the

1144
00:41:47,030 --> 00:41:43,920
interactions of your electric field

1145
00:41:49,510 --> 00:41:47,040
into magnetic fields so you are electric

1146
00:41:50,710 --> 00:41:49,520
your environment has magnetic so what it

1147
00:41:52,309 --> 00:41:50,720
does is actually measures the

1148
00:41:54,150 --> 00:41:52,319
interactions between that and that's

1149
00:41:55,349 --> 00:41:54,160
where we get the measurement or the

1150
00:41:57,190 --> 00:41:55,359
megahertz

1151
00:41:59,990 --> 00:41:57,200
which is corresponds to a particular

1152
00:42:01,670 --> 00:42:00,000
color in metaphysical color okay and

1153
00:42:04,390 --> 00:42:01,680
who's designated which color goes with

1154
00:42:06,710 --> 00:42:04,400
which rating okay the color was actually

1155
00:42:08,390 --> 00:42:06,720
in science if there's a frequency that

1156
00:42:10,309 --> 00:42:08,400
is actually corresponds to a particular

1157
00:42:12,230 --> 00:42:10,319
color yes so we've got like flight

1158
00:42:14,069 --> 00:42:12,240
frequencies we're talking pretty much

1159
00:42:15,109 --> 00:42:14,079
that's right yeah so we're talking about

1160
00:42:16,950 --> 00:42:15,119
waves

1161
00:42:18,550 --> 00:42:16,960
yes there you go okay

1162
00:42:21,589 --> 00:42:18,560
so with this particular crystal it's

1163
00:42:24,630 --> 00:42:21,599
actually running at 162 megahertz at 68

1164
00:42:26,390 --> 00:42:24,640
megahertz which is a navy collar okay so

1165
00:42:29,430 --> 00:42:26,400
that's actually emitting one that we

1166
00:42:31,829 --> 00:42:29,440
can't see a navy sort of aura correct

1167
00:42:34,550 --> 00:42:31,839
correct so it's running at 168 which is

1168
00:42:37,829 --> 00:42:34,560
a navy collar navy color is all about

1169
00:42:40,150 --> 00:42:37,839
leadership so apart from this crystal

1170
00:42:42,309 --> 00:42:40,160
which is citrine talks about success and

1171
00:42:45,349 --> 00:42:42,319
abundance according to google i think

1172
00:42:48,069 --> 00:42:45,359
they do right based on my belief

1173
00:42:50,710 --> 00:42:48,079
it also gives you navy frequency which

1174
00:42:51,910 --> 00:42:50,720
is all about leadership so if i'll be

1175
00:42:54,069 --> 00:42:51,920
selling

1176
00:42:57,349 --> 00:42:54,079
these crystals i'll be holding this for

1177
00:42:58,870 --> 00:42:57,359
a while so that i can somehow hey guys

1178
00:43:01,430 --> 00:42:58,880
you know what what i'm doing here is

1179
00:43:02,950 --> 00:43:01,440
legit so buy my stuff and that this

1180
00:43:05,670 --> 00:43:02,960
particular frequency will give me that

1181
00:43:07,670 --> 00:43:05,680
money kaching and at the same time can i

1182
00:43:09,030 --> 00:43:07,680
can influence people well you should be

1183
00:43:12,390 --> 00:43:09,040
welcome to hold it maybe if you apply

1184
00:43:14,069 --> 00:43:12,400
for these schedules i would

1185
00:43:15,750 --> 00:43:14,079
definitely love to do that i'm very glad

1186
00:43:17,829 --> 00:43:15,760
you're looking into it yes yes it's very

1187
00:43:19,270 --> 00:43:17,839
exciting because you know i just measure

1188
00:43:21,349 --> 00:43:19,280
everything you know i mean and it's

1189
00:43:23,190 --> 00:43:21,359
actually it's not actually me it's

1190
00:43:24,710 --> 00:43:23,200
actually then i just tell them okay this

1191
00:43:25,990 --> 00:43:24,720
is you're running at this frequency you

1192
00:43:27,510 --> 00:43:26,000
know i mean okay with your measuring

1193
00:43:29,670 --> 00:43:27,520
device so you can actually measure

1194
00:43:31,750 --> 00:43:29,680
people's auras as well fantastic not

1195
00:43:33,430 --> 00:43:31,760
just the aura but also measuring what's

1196
00:43:35,430 --> 00:43:33,440
up actually happening on the physical

1197
00:43:36,790 --> 00:43:35,440
level i was curious about that because i

1198
00:43:38,309 --> 00:43:36,800
was looking at

1199
00:43:39,990 --> 00:43:38,319
some of your paperwork over there and it

1200
00:43:41,109 --> 00:43:40,000
said that you can give wellness readings

1201
00:43:42,470 --> 00:43:41,119
does that mean that you're looking at

1202
00:43:44,470 --> 00:43:42,480
people's health

1203
00:43:46,309 --> 00:43:44,480
can i say yes but i don't actually

1204
00:43:47,750 --> 00:43:46,319
diagnose and make treatments but i can

1205
00:43:49,430 --> 00:43:47,760
actually tell them that hey there's

1206
00:43:52,150 --> 00:43:49,440
something happening there's an activity

1207
00:43:55,030 --> 00:43:52,160
happening somewhere in your body that's

1208
00:43:57,349 --> 00:43:55,040
all i can tell but the uh the the

1209
00:44:00,630 --> 00:43:57,359
details or the data is actually i also

1210
00:44:02,710 --> 00:44:00,640
provide data okay so i i usually would

1211
00:44:04,710 --> 00:44:02,720
give them about 10 page report science

1212
00:44:06,150 --> 00:44:04,720
based on that level

1213
00:44:08,470 --> 00:44:06,160
right and does that give people

1214
00:44:10,150 --> 00:44:08,480
information on a lot of a lot of

1215
00:44:11,589 --> 00:44:10,160
information it will only give them an

1216
00:44:13,270 --> 00:44:11,599
indication that there's an activity

1217
00:44:15,270 --> 00:44:13,280
something happening around in your heart

1218
00:44:17,670 --> 00:44:15,280
or your gland or whatsoever okay and if

1219
00:44:19,030 --> 00:44:17,680
somebody gets this report and they look

1220
00:44:20,390 --> 00:44:19,040
at and go oh my goodness something's

1221
00:44:23,109 --> 00:44:20,400
wrong with my heart what what should

1222
00:44:25,270 --> 00:44:23,119
they do then uh we don't actually sort

1223
00:44:27,109 --> 00:44:25,280
of what we do is we don't actually give

1224
00:44:30,150 --> 00:44:27,119
them like i said diagnosis or treatment

1225
00:44:31,910 --> 00:44:30,160
we do recommend all right but um like i

1226
00:44:33,829 --> 00:44:31,920
said this is this is only like this is

1227
00:44:35,430 --> 00:44:33,839
all science based interpretation but

1228
00:44:38,309 --> 00:44:35,440
this is not

1229
00:44:39,510 --> 00:44:38,319
like a set in stone what's happening you

1230
00:44:41,109 --> 00:44:39,520
know i mean because we want to make sure

1231
00:44:42,790 --> 00:44:41,119
that we protect them and we want to make

1232
00:44:43,910 --> 00:44:42,800
sure that we protect ourselves you know

1233
00:44:45,510 --> 00:44:43,920
i mean we don't have so you could

1234
00:44:47,670 --> 00:44:45,520
suggest to people that they go and visit

1235
00:44:50,550 --> 00:44:47,680
their doctor because that's right we

1236
00:44:53,190 --> 00:44:50,560
definitely recommend them to alternative

1237
00:44:55,990 --> 00:44:53,200
doctors or legit doctor

1238
00:44:57,589 --> 00:44:56,000
alternative all legit really really

1239
00:44:59,349 --> 00:44:57,599
legit yes

1240
00:45:01,430 --> 00:44:59,359
if i have to say that you know i mean or

1241
00:45:03,109 --> 00:45:01,440
natural terror naturopaths or whatever

1242
00:45:04,710 --> 00:45:03,119
you call that yes certainly

1243
00:45:06,950 --> 00:45:04,720
i'm also wondering how come you're

1244
00:45:09,430 --> 00:45:06,960
wearing a lab coat okay fantastic uh

1245
00:45:11,430 --> 00:45:09,440
well apart from me looking a little bit

1246
00:45:13,589 --> 00:45:11,440
legit and professional but actually this

1247
00:45:15,829 --> 00:45:13,599
coat is actually hundred percent cotton

1248
00:45:16,710 --> 00:45:15,839
yes all right so is my lab coat

1249
00:45:19,109 --> 00:45:16,720
correct

1250
00:45:20,710 --> 00:45:19,119
100 current meaning that it absorbs my

1251
00:45:22,710 --> 00:45:20,720
energy because remember i picked up

1252
00:45:24,069 --> 00:45:22,720
energy from the device right okay so i

1253
00:45:25,910 --> 00:45:24,079
want to make sure that when they i pick

1254
00:45:27,670 --> 00:45:25,920
them their energies it's a hundred

1255
00:45:29,349 --> 00:45:27,680
percent their energy it's not mine okay

1256
00:45:32,390 --> 00:45:29,359
so you're stopping interference so it's

1257
00:45:33,750 --> 00:45:32,400
a bit of lack of a faraday cage for aura

1258
00:45:35,589 --> 00:45:33,760
correct uh just like what happened to

1259
00:45:38,630 --> 00:45:35,599
her a while ago when i actually scanned

1260
00:45:40,870 --> 00:45:38,640
her yes she she was wearing um like

1261
00:45:43,349 --> 00:45:40,880
crystals and jewelries yes yes i asked

1262
00:45:46,309 --> 00:45:43,359
her to remove that simply because it can

1263
00:45:47,829 --> 00:45:46,319
influence what's happening right now

1264
00:45:49,030 --> 00:45:47,839
so we want to make sure that it's

1265
00:45:50,710 --> 00:45:49,040
actually the frequency that she see

1266
00:45:52,630 --> 00:45:50,720
meeting is actually natural in uh

1267
00:45:54,069 --> 00:45:52,640
frequency of her would it be ideal to

1268
00:45:55,910 --> 00:45:54,079
scan people when they're not wearing any

1269
00:45:57,829 --> 00:45:55,920
clothes then uh

1270
00:45:59,670 --> 00:45:57,839
would you know

1271
00:46:02,390 --> 00:45:59,680
i'm sorry i shouldn't ask that sort of

1272
00:46:04,150 --> 00:46:02,400
thing it's a family podcast

1273
00:46:06,309 --> 00:46:04,160
um if people want to get in contact with

1274
00:46:08,630 --> 00:46:06,319
you where can they find you fantastic um

1275
00:46:11,870 --> 00:46:08,640
they can actually check my website which

1276
00:46:13,910 --> 00:46:13,030
www.remotebalancingtechnology.com that's

1277
00:46:16,309 --> 00:46:13,920
a bit of a mouthful

1278
00:46:18,870 --> 00:46:16,319
remotebalancingtechnology.com

1279
00:46:20,230 --> 00:46:18,880
there you go fantastic thank you so much

1280
00:46:22,069 --> 00:46:20,240
thank you very much speak with you

1281
00:46:23,829 --> 00:46:22,079
lovely cheers bye-bye

1282
00:46:26,550 --> 00:46:23,839
i've just stepped outside here at the

1283
00:46:28,710 --> 00:46:26,560
australian paranormal and spiritual expo

1284
00:46:30,950 --> 00:46:28,720
i've stepped out with tim menden hello

1285
00:46:32,710 --> 00:46:30,960
tim hello there joe i've got the

1286
00:46:34,870 --> 00:46:32,720
question that must be on everyone's lips

1287
00:46:37,270 --> 00:46:34,880
when they walk in when they see the

1288
00:46:38,950 --> 00:46:37,280
australian skeptics stall

1289
00:46:41,670 --> 00:46:38,960
pretty near the entrance

1290
00:46:44,550 --> 00:46:41,680
what are the australian skeptics doing

1291
00:46:46,069 --> 00:46:44,560
at the paranormal and spiritual expo

1292
00:46:47,750 --> 00:46:46,079
it's amazing how many people ask that

1293
00:46:49,270 --> 00:46:47,760
question yeah it's true because we're

1294
00:46:51,030 --> 00:46:49,280
right near the door and we're the first

1295
00:46:52,710 --> 00:46:51,040
thing people see and i think they must

1296
00:46:54,790 --> 00:46:52,720
be at the wrong show

1297
00:46:56,150 --> 00:46:54,800
what are we doing here um it's great

1298
00:46:57,510 --> 00:46:56,160
personally i think it's a lot of fun

1299
00:46:59,030 --> 00:46:57,520
actually you get to meet a lot of people

1300
00:47:00,950 --> 00:46:59,040
some interesting people some very

1301
00:47:02,230 --> 00:47:00,960
interesting people and you get to chat

1302
00:47:03,670 --> 00:47:02,240
to them but from a skeptic's point of

1303
00:47:05,349 --> 00:47:03,680
view especially australian skeptics

1304
00:47:06,150 --> 00:47:05,359
formally we get to explain what we're on

1305
00:47:08,150 --> 00:47:06,160
about

1306
00:47:09,910 --> 00:47:08,160
yeah and to people who say oh no i'm a

1307
00:47:11,670 --> 00:47:09,920
believer i'm not interested or i don't

1308
00:47:13,589 --> 00:47:11,680
do that and you explain in ways that

1309
00:47:16,069 --> 00:47:13,599
actually prove that they are skeptical

1310
00:47:17,349 --> 00:47:16,079
in one place or another and and then

1311
00:47:19,589 --> 00:47:17,359
they say oh yeah that makes sense the

1312
00:47:21,750 --> 00:47:19,599
classic one is uh you say if someone

1313
00:47:23,589 --> 00:47:21,760
comes to you and says they can fly what

1314
00:47:25,109 --> 00:47:23,599
would you say and they say i'll prove it

1315
00:47:27,030 --> 00:47:25,119
and say bingo

1316
00:47:28,309 --> 00:47:27,040
you're a skeptic you're escaped

1317
00:47:30,390 --> 00:47:28,319
sign you up

1318
00:47:32,069 --> 00:47:30,400
i did hear another one actually i think

1319
00:47:33,829 --> 00:47:32,079
it might have come from you asking

1320
00:47:35,670 --> 00:47:33,839
people when they walk up to the stand

1321
00:47:37,910 --> 00:47:35,680
and want to know about skepticism you

1322
00:47:39,589 --> 00:47:37,920
ask them well if somebody was trying to

1323
00:47:41,589 --> 00:47:39,599
sell you a car

1324
00:47:43,109 --> 00:47:41,599
would you how does that one go yeah

1325
00:47:44,710 --> 00:47:43,119
exactly you know buying a car buying a

1326
00:47:46,309 --> 00:47:44,720
fridge that sort of thing i mean you

1327
00:47:47,829 --> 00:47:46,319
actually go into the evidence you look

1328
00:47:49,910 --> 00:47:47,839
at the evidence natural normal thing to

1329
00:47:51,910 --> 00:47:49,920
do catching a train rather than a bus or

1330
00:47:53,750 --> 00:47:51,920
walking is escape you have to be a

1331
00:47:55,589 --> 00:47:53,760
skeptic you toss up the evidence you

1332
00:47:57,270 --> 00:47:55,599
work it out you find out what's the best

1333
00:47:58,309 --> 00:47:57,280
solution for you and then you choose it

1334
00:47:59,589 --> 00:47:58,319
and you apply the same thing

1335
00:48:02,150 --> 00:47:59,599
unfortunately people don't apply the

1336
00:48:04,069 --> 00:48:02,160
same thing to the more spiritual areas

1337
00:48:04,870 --> 00:48:04,079
and so how have people been reacting to

1338
00:48:06,150 --> 00:48:04,880
this

1339
00:48:08,550 --> 00:48:06,160
they've been good they've been good we

1340
00:48:10,550 --> 00:48:08,560
haven't had anybody hit anybody yet

1341
00:48:12,390 --> 00:48:10,560
yet yeah i know we're still waiting

1342
00:48:13,990 --> 00:48:12,400
still early in the day but i mean uh no

1343
00:48:15,990 --> 00:48:14,000
no people

1344
00:48:17,270 --> 00:48:16,000
i really appreciate they understand you

1345
00:48:18,790 --> 00:48:17,280
know once you explain you know what

1346
00:48:20,069 --> 00:48:18,800
we're on about and they say yeah i mean

1347
00:48:21,750 --> 00:48:20,079
people will go away and say yeah well

1348
00:48:22,870 --> 00:48:21,760
you know i'm still a believer i'm not

1349
00:48:24,710 --> 00:48:22,880
going to be and they're not going to be

1350
00:48:26,069 --> 00:48:24,720
convinced after a 30 second conversation

1351
00:48:28,230 --> 00:48:26,079
at a place like this especially when

1352
00:48:30,790 --> 00:48:28,240
you're surrounded by 50 other stance who

1353
00:48:32,309 --> 00:48:30,800
are all pushing the paranormalities etc

1354
00:48:33,510 --> 00:48:32,319
but they go away i think understanding

1355
00:48:34,710 --> 00:48:33,520
what the skeptics are about and i'm

1356
00:48:37,670 --> 00:48:34,720
looking at someone right now who's

1357
00:48:39,190 --> 00:48:37,680
reading our 100 000 challenge document

1358
00:48:40,549 --> 00:48:39,200
oh fantastic

1359
00:48:42,390 --> 00:48:40,559
do you think we've got any takers here

1360
00:48:44,230 --> 00:48:42,400
today i said we had some who were

1361
00:48:46,069 --> 00:48:44,240
actually coming pretty close

1362
00:48:47,750 --> 00:48:46,079
uh in fact i actually had a conversation

1363
00:48:49,990 --> 00:48:47,760
with people seriously so they might do

1364
00:48:52,630 --> 00:48:50,000
it um who run

1365
00:48:54,390 --> 00:48:52,640
medium transfer seances with with a

1366
00:48:56,390 --> 00:48:54,400
physical medium who therefore has

1367
00:48:57,910 --> 00:48:56,400
ectoplasm and table tipping and all this

1368
00:48:59,430 --> 00:48:57,920
sort of stuff they want us to come along

1369
00:49:00,790 --> 00:48:59,440
and have a look here's a physical medium

1370
00:49:02,630 --> 00:49:00,800
which is very rare these days most of

1371
00:49:03,829 --> 00:49:02,640
them sort of just do voices and that

1372
00:49:05,910 --> 00:49:03,839
sort of stuff this is someone who makes

1373
00:49:07,589 --> 00:49:05,920
manifestations and and they offered for

1374
00:49:08,870 --> 00:49:07,599
us to come along they want us to come

1375
00:49:10,549 --> 00:49:08,880
along

1376
00:49:12,549 --> 00:49:10,559
great isn't it yeah i'd be really

1377
00:49:14,309 --> 00:49:12,559
fascinated to see that one

1378
00:49:17,030 --> 00:49:14,319
thank you so much for a chat we're going

1379
00:49:18,390 --> 00:49:17,040
to head back inside i think and

1380
00:49:19,910 --> 00:49:18,400
i can hear somebody talking over a

1381
00:49:21,030 --> 00:49:19,920
loudspeaker now there's a lot going on

1382
00:49:24,790 --> 00:49:21,040
in there today

1383
00:49:29,109 --> 00:49:26,390
that is yet to be determined and

1384
00:49:31,910 --> 00:49:29,119
measured thank you tim

1385
00:49:34,870 --> 00:49:31,920
okay i'm here with john paul sutton who

1386
00:49:37,030 --> 00:49:34,880
is a wax art reader is it that you're a

1387
00:49:38,470 --> 00:49:37,040
medium who can read yeah

1388
00:49:40,790 --> 00:49:38,480
wax colors

1389
00:49:42,069 --> 00:49:40,800
so this is a color based sort of device

1390
00:49:43,990 --> 00:49:42,079
yeah basically what i do with the

1391
00:49:44,950 --> 00:49:44,000
readings is i'll get you to choose some

1392
00:49:47,270 --> 00:49:44,960
colors

1393
00:49:48,549 --> 00:49:47,280
painting for you

1394
00:49:49,829 --> 00:49:48,559
from that painting i then do a reading

1395
00:49:51,190 --> 00:49:49,839
of your life journey all the movements

1396
00:49:52,390 --> 00:49:51,200
in the wax all the colors you choose to

1397
00:49:53,430 --> 00:49:52,400
tell me about you

1398
00:49:55,030 --> 00:49:53,440
i'll show you check on through your

1399
00:49:56,390 --> 00:49:55,040
childhood yeah any blocks so you can

1400
00:49:57,430 --> 00:49:56,400
clear your blocks and i'll show you

1401
00:49:59,349 --> 00:49:57,440
ahead and do the future or through a

1402
00:50:01,510 --> 00:49:59,359
painting supply through a painting

1403
00:50:02,630 --> 00:50:01,520
direct map your life is an art form yeah

1404
00:50:03,910 --> 00:50:02,640
from day you're born today you die

1405
00:50:05,750 --> 00:50:03,920
that's with paintings that's your life

1406
00:50:07,990 --> 00:50:05,760
journey done as an art form

1407
00:50:09,349 --> 00:50:08,000
be true to you uh where can we find you

1408
00:50:10,549 --> 00:50:09,359
if we want to find you on the internet

1409
00:50:11,589 --> 00:50:10,559
or something or see more examples of

1410
00:50:13,829 --> 00:50:11,599
your work

1411
00:50:17,349 --> 00:50:13,839
my web page is um

1412
00:50:20,950 --> 00:50:20,069
hi i'm jody from soap buddies we have

1413
00:50:25,670 --> 00:50:20,960
some

1414
00:50:27,750 --> 00:50:25,680
very cute doctor who r2d2 soaps that

1415
00:50:30,950 --> 00:50:27,760
were very popular last year so we're

1416
00:50:32,950 --> 00:50:30,960
back by popular demand so we have a

1417
00:50:35,750 --> 00:50:32,960
range of

1418
00:50:36,470 --> 00:50:35,760
funky little different styles of soaps

1419
00:50:39,510 --> 00:50:36,480
for

1420
00:50:42,150 --> 00:50:39,520
and we specialize in custom party favors

1421
00:50:43,349 --> 00:50:42,160
for baby showers weddings

1422
00:50:45,349 --> 00:50:43,359
that's excellent i've actually got my

1423
00:50:47,349 --> 00:50:45,359
son's birthday coming up i'm seeing here

1424
00:50:48,790 --> 00:50:47,359
you've got batman's you've got lego men

1425
00:50:50,069 --> 00:50:48,800
and you've got these really cute ones

1426
00:50:52,309 --> 00:50:50,079
which i might have to buy for my

1427
00:50:53,670 --> 00:50:52,319
children i don't know if i can resist

1428
00:50:55,589 --> 00:50:53,680
their little bags they look like

1429
00:50:58,069 --> 00:50:55,599
cellophane bags full of

1430
00:51:00,870 --> 00:50:58,079
soap which is clear and it's got tiny

1431
00:51:02,790 --> 00:51:00,880
little fish in there they're goldfish

1432
00:51:04,630 --> 00:51:02,800
and this is a really unusual place to be

1433
00:51:06,470 --> 00:51:04,640
selling soap i might say it's a

1434
00:51:09,109 --> 00:51:06,480
paranormal convention what do you think

1435
00:51:11,349 --> 00:51:09,119
of the paranormal aspect of things here

1436
00:51:13,910 --> 00:51:11,359
well we were here last year and it was

1437
00:51:17,030 --> 00:51:13,920
fantastic and we did have

1438
00:51:19,270 --> 00:51:17,040
a lot of people who were interested in

1439
00:51:22,470 --> 00:51:19,280
the doctor who soaps so that's why we're

1440
00:51:24,470 --> 00:51:22,480
back but i absolutely love uh

1441
00:51:26,069 --> 00:51:24,480
all these paranormal and spiritual stuff

1442
00:51:27,829 --> 00:51:26,079
so it's actually

1443
00:51:29,270 --> 00:51:27,839
a little love of mine so that's why i

1444
00:51:31,670 --> 00:51:29,280
love being here too

1445
00:51:34,950 --> 00:51:31,680
well i'm excited by these soaps myself

1446
00:51:36,549 --> 00:51:34,960
where can our listeners find your soaps

1447
00:51:38,630 --> 00:51:36,559
online maybe

1448
00:51:41,990 --> 00:51:38,640
well we're currently sell through

1449
00:51:43,750 --> 00:51:42,000
facebook so if you go to facebook.com

1450
00:51:45,349 --> 00:51:43,760
buddies you'll find us

1451
00:51:46,950 --> 00:51:45,359
but yeah at the moment through facebook

1452
00:51:49,030 --> 00:51:46,960
if you come and see us we do post

1453
00:51:50,630 --> 00:51:49,040
australia-wide

1454
00:51:52,790 --> 00:51:50,640
so after a fantastic day at the

1455
00:51:54,790 --> 00:51:52,800
australian paranormal and spiritual expo

1456
00:51:56,230 --> 00:51:54,800
i am finally catching up with pete banks

1457
00:51:59,270 --> 00:51:56,240
the organizer

1458
00:52:01,510 --> 00:51:59,280
hi guys hello pete how's the day been

1459
00:52:04,230 --> 00:52:01,520
for you it's been amazing absolutely

1460
00:52:05,990 --> 00:52:04,240
phenomenal what i'm wondering is what do

1461
00:52:07,270 --> 00:52:06,000
you think people make of the skeptics

1462
00:52:09,270 --> 00:52:07,280
being here

1463
00:52:11,109 --> 00:52:09,280
i'm hoping that everyone is very

1464
00:52:12,710 --> 00:52:11,119
open-minded and loves that the skeptics

1465
00:52:14,870 --> 00:52:12,720
are here because i hope they understand

1466
00:52:17,190 --> 00:52:14,880
that there are two sides to every coin

1467
00:52:19,109 --> 00:52:17,200
i think people have taken us pretty well

1468
00:52:20,950 --> 00:52:19,119
we haven't had any trouble we've had a

1469
00:52:23,109 --> 00:52:20,960
lot of people very happy to have a talk

1470
00:52:23,990 --> 00:52:23,119
and hear where we're coming from and

1471
00:52:26,230 --> 00:52:24,000
we've been listening to where they're

1472
00:52:28,150 --> 00:52:26,240
coming from i think it's really useful

1473
00:52:30,549 --> 00:52:28,160
actually for us to be here i'm

1474
00:52:32,309 --> 00:52:30,559
very happy to be getting out of sort of

1475
00:52:34,630 --> 00:52:32,319
talking with other skeptics and talking

1476
00:52:36,790 --> 00:52:34,640
with the public it's great yeah well you

1477
00:52:39,190 --> 00:52:36,800
came last year as well as you know and

1478
00:52:41,349 --> 00:52:39,200
we haven't had one single bad word about

1479
00:52:43,510 --> 00:52:41,359
you guys it's always been very positive

1480
00:52:45,349 --> 00:52:43,520
that's wonderful to hear do you think we

1481
00:52:47,349 --> 00:52:45,359
can come back next year i think you can

1482
00:52:49,589 --> 00:52:47,359
come back every year so it's running

1483
00:52:51,670 --> 00:52:49,599
next year it sure is

1484
00:52:53,270 --> 00:52:51,680
where can people go to find out more

1485
00:52:55,750 --> 00:52:53,280
about the australian paranormal and

1486
00:52:58,069 --> 00:52:55,760
spiritual expo okay so the easiest thing

1487
00:53:00,549 --> 00:52:58,079
would be to google australian paranormal

1488
00:53:03,430 --> 00:53:00,559
and spiritual expo and you'll come up

1489
00:53:05,190 --> 00:53:03,440
with our facebook page and our website

1490
00:53:07,190 --> 00:53:05,200
that's absolutely wonderful thank you

1491
00:53:23,109 --> 00:53:07,200
again for a great day pete thanks guys

1492
00:53:28,230 --> 00:53:24,470
hey heidi

1493
00:53:31,270 --> 00:53:28,240
oh hi joe hi heidi oh hi maynard hi

1494
00:53:35,510 --> 00:53:31,280
maynard oh hi joe nice day in this park

1495
00:53:37,030 --> 00:53:35,520
yeah yes great weather oh look a unicorn

1496
00:53:39,030 --> 00:53:37,040
a unicorn

1497
00:53:42,549 --> 00:53:39,040
there are no such things as unicorns

1498
00:53:44,870 --> 00:53:42,559
silly yes there are no there isn't hey

1499
00:53:48,390 --> 00:53:44,880
ladies what are you arguing about joe

1500
00:53:50,309 --> 00:53:48,400
thinks unicorns are real they so are

1501
00:53:53,750 --> 00:53:50,319
let's look this up in the skeptics

1502
00:53:56,470 --> 00:53:53,760
dictionary the words how can we do that

1503
00:53:58,309 --> 00:53:56,480
in this park there are no computers here

1504
00:54:01,109 --> 00:53:58,319
you ladies probably don't know about the

1505
00:54:03,910 --> 00:54:01,119
skeptics dictionary app available now

1506
00:54:06,390 --> 00:54:03,920
for iphone ipad and ipod touch in the

1507
00:54:08,470 --> 00:54:06,400
app store yeah we do we've been

1508
00:54:09,430 --> 00:54:08,480
listening to the skeptic zone for years

1509
00:54:13,270 --> 00:54:09,440
you know

1510
00:54:15,109 --> 00:54:13,280
um yes okay uh the app lets you access

1511
00:54:18,309 --> 00:54:15,119
all the great skeptics dictionary

1512
00:54:20,950 --> 00:54:18,319
articles when you're on the go here let

1513
00:54:23,670 --> 00:54:20,960
me look up unicorns oh cool

1514
00:54:25,910 --> 00:54:23,680
heidi prepare to be proven wrong

1515
00:54:28,069 --> 00:54:25,920
it says here the unicorn is a creature

1516
00:54:29,910 --> 00:54:28,079
from fables uh-huh

1517
00:54:31,430 --> 00:54:29,920
actually i see now that someone just

1518
00:54:35,430 --> 00:54:31,440
dumped their ice cream cone on that

1519
00:54:40,630 --> 00:54:35,440
horse's head thanks get the addiction

1520
00:54:46,950 --> 00:54:43,030
from crystals to psychic readings to

1521
00:54:49,990 --> 00:54:46,960
ghost hunters and aura drawings the 2015

1522
00:54:52,470 --> 00:54:50,000
australian spiritual and paranormal expo

1523
00:54:54,549 --> 00:54:52,480
had something for everyone

1524
00:54:56,630 --> 00:54:54,559
here in sydney the art center of the

1525
00:54:59,670 --> 00:54:56,640
casula powerhouse was bustling with

1526
00:55:05,270 --> 00:54:59,680
curious folk so we set out to chat to a

1527
00:55:09,109 --> 00:55:07,270
what brought you to the paranormal expo

1528
00:55:11,589 --> 00:55:09,119
today

1529
00:55:14,870 --> 00:55:11,599
i'm doing um a

1530
00:55:17,510 --> 00:55:14,880
speech on a short film a small film uh

1531
00:55:18,390 --> 00:55:17,520
fisher's ghost all right so it's about a

1532
00:55:24,150 --> 00:55:18,400
ghost

1533
00:55:26,309 --> 00:55:24,160
stories um

1534
00:55:28,470 --> 00:55:26,319
that was recorded in um

1535
00:55:30,230 --> 00:55:28,480
with the police like in australia so

1536
00:55:32,870 --> 00:55:30,240
it's got a bit of a

1537
00:55:36,710 --> 00:55:32,880
should be good

1538
00:55:38,790 --> 00:55:36,720
right do you believe in girls um

1539
00:55:41,190 --> 00:55:38,800
i don't know i think so a little bit i

1540
00:55:43,190 --> 00:55:41,200
guess i've kind of had uh i've lived in

1541
00:55:45,589 --> 00:55:43,200
a fair few houses that kind of have

1542
00:55:47,270 --> 00:55:45,599
different kind of feels to them so

1543
00:55:49,349 --> 00:55:47,280
i don't know if that's it

1544
00:55:50,150 --> 00:55:49,359
it ghost or a spirit or something you

1545
00:55:51,750 --> 00:55:50,160
know

1546
00:55:53,990 --> 00:55:51,760
i was just more interested in getting

1547
00:55:56,069 --> 00:55:54,000
some crystals so that's right did you

1548
00:55:58,470 --> 00:55:56,079
find any i did i got all of them that i

1549
00:56:02,150 --> 00:55:58,480
wanted and what about you i came for the

1550
00:56:04,549 --> 00:56:02,160
crystals as well it was beautiful but um

1551
00:56:06,390 --> 00:56:04,559
the one i was looking for it's not here

1552
00:56:07,990 --> 00:56:06,400
it's in the shop so

1553
00:56:10,150 --> 00:56:08,000
i might have to go and visit them in

1554
00:56:11,750 --> 00:56:10,160
their shops well i've just recently

1555
00:56:16,230 --> 00:56:11,760
started a job

1556
00:56:18,630 --> 00:56:16,240
a new job and i've had a lot of um

1557
00:56:21,190 --> 00:56:18,640
things happening

1558
00:56:22,150 --> 00:56:21,200
with the paranormal things like plates

1559
00:56:23,910 --> 00:56:22,160
breaking

1560
00:56:25,510 --> 00:56:23,920
you know in the kitchen with no

1561
00:56:27,910 --> 00:56:25,520
explanation

1562
00:56:29,589 --> 00:56:27,920
footsteps and i where i'm working i

1563
00:56:32,069 --> 00:56:29,599
won't reveal where i'm working but where

1564
00:56:35,030 --> 00:56:32,079
i'm working it was actually

1565
00:56:37,270 --> 00:56:35,040
a lot of it was a place for women that

1566
00:56:39,750 --> 00:56:37,280
were um

1567
00:56:41,430 --> 00:56:39,760
were pregnant out of wedlock back early

1568
00:56:43,589 --> 00:56:41,440
in the days and

1569
00:56:44,710 --> 00:56:43,599
there was a lot of infant side and a lot

1570
00:56:46,309 --> 00:56:44,720
of

1571
00:56:48,230 --> 00:56:46,319
suicide there too and i believe there

1572
00:56:50,870 --> 00:56:48,240
was a murder as well

1573
00:56:53,270 --> 00:56:50,880
in the driveway of the you know place

1574
00:56:55,910 --> 00:56:53,280
where i'm working so i just want to see

1575
00:56:57,670 --> 00:56:55,920
if i can you know get some i don't know

1576
00:56:59,190 --> 00:56:57,680
clarity about it

1577
00:57:01,910 --> 00:56:59,200
are you looking for some maybe

1578
00:57:05,270 --> 00:57:01,920
protection or more like just wanting to

1579
00:57:06,950 --> 00:57:05,280
get a reading no i'm looking more like

1580
00:57:08,789 --> 00:57:06,960
to because i have to work there and

1581
00:57:11,430 --> 00:57:08,799
sometimes i have to be there on my own i

1582
00:57:13,349 --> 00:57:11,440
want to know how to handle it without

1583
00:57:15,829 --> 00:57:13,359
because i i believe that they've been

1584
00:57:18,230 --> 00:57:15,839
there for a long time and i've you know

1585
00:57:19,829 --> 00:57:18,240
i've got no right to say go away or

1586
00:57:22,069 --> 00:57:19,839
whatever but i just want to know how to

1587
00:57:23,990 --> 00:57:22,079
handle that myself i've always just had

1588
00:57:25,349 --> 00:57:24,000
a very big interest in this kind of

1589
00:57:27,109 --> 00:57:25,359
thing than i came last year and thought

1590
00:57:28,950 --> 00:57:27,119
it was brilliant so that's why i'm here

1591
00:57:30,950 --> 00:57:28,960
now i'm a big fan of mitchell coombs

1592
00:57:33,510 --> 00:57:30,960
curiosity really what are you curious

1593
00:57:35,109 --> 00:57:33,520
about the most no one thing really but

1594
00:57:36,710 --> 00:57:35,119
looking at doing a bit more ghost

1595
00:57:38,150 --> 00:57:36,720
hunting in the future you know we're

1596
00:57:40,069 --> 00:57:38,160
just interested in this type of thing

1597
00:57:41,349 --> 00:57:40,079
and it's good to i don't know you forget

1598
00:57:42,549 --> 00:57:41,359
about it sometimes so it's good to be

1599
00:57:44,870 --> 00:57:42,559
able to have a whole day where you're

1600
00:57:47,589 --> 00:57:44,880
just reconnecting with everything

1601
00:57:49,589 --> 00:57:47,599
paranormal and psychic and spiritual and

1602
00:57:51,030 --> 00:57:49,599
yeah it's good just a good day out is

1603
00:57:53,349 --> 00:57:51,040
there anything in particular that you're

1604
00:57:55,109 --> 00:57:53,359
interested in mitchell creams is a big

1605
00:57:57,510 --> 00:57:55,119
big draw card for us so we're looking

1606
00:58:00,150 --> 00:57:57,520
forward to that my auntie

1607
00:58:02,630 --> 00:58:00,160
and why did you come curiosity really

1608
00:58:04,710 --> 00:58:02,640
i'd like to have a look around and see

1609
00:58:06,630 --> 00:58:04,720
what's happening meet some people

1610
00:58:08,630 --> 00:58:06,640
right what are you most curious about

1611
00:58:10,549 --> 00:58:08,640
things we can't see

1612
00:58:12,230 --> 00:58:10,559
but we know we're there

1613
00:58:14,470 --> 00:58:12,240
and there's lots of evidence all around

1614
00:58:16,309 --> 00:58:14,480
us and we've come to find out more today

1615
00:58:19,990 --> 00:58:16,319
what brought you to the paranormal expo

1616
00:58:24,230 --> 00:58:22,390
what about you he likes the equipment

1617
00:58:26,789 --> 00:58:24,240
the equipment is that the ghostbusting

1618
00:58:29,030 --> 00:58:26,799
equipment stuff yeah right yeah it's

1619
00:58:31,349 --> 00:58:29,040
kind of interesting just the different

1620
00:58:33,430 --> 00:58:31,359
gadgets and things so

1621
00:58:35,190 --> 00:58:33,440
so gadgets brought you to the paranormal

1622
00:58:37,990 --> 00:58:35,200
expert

1623
00:58:39,190 --> 00:58:38,000
yeah i'm just interested in

1624
00:58:40,789 --> 00:58:39,200
i don't know

1625
00:58:41,829 --> 00:58:40,799
we were just interested to see what was

1626
00:58:43,990 --> 00:58:41,839
around

1627
00:58:45,829 --> 00:58:44,000
we watched a lot of horror movies

1628
00:58:47,829 --> 00:58:45,839
so you believe in ghosts

1629
00:58:49,670 --> 00:58:47,839
yeah to a degree i guess

1630
00:58:51,829 --> 00:58:49,680
the paranormal itself anything in

1631
00:58:55,510 --> 00:58:51,839
particular though i have experienced

1632
00:58:57,270 --> 00:58:55,520
many um strange things in my life

1633
00:58:59,829 --> 00:58:57,280
so i've come for some answers have you

1634
00:59:01,750 --> 00:58:59,839
gotten any answers yet i have a session

1635
00:59:04,390 --> 00:59:01,760
booked at 1 30 so hopefully i can get

1636
00:59:07,349 --> 00:59:04,400
some answers then my late husband

1637
00:59:09,109 --> 00:59:07,359
passed away about 14 years ago and i'm

1638
00:59:11,270 --> 00:59:09,119
interested to see if he's actually still

1639
00:59:12,549 --> 00:59:11,280
around we went to the weekend notes and

1640
00:59:16,309 --> 00:59:12,559
we saw this

1641
00:59:18,390 --> 00:59:16,319
australian paranormal and spiritual expo

1642
00:59:19,349 --> 00:59:18,400
and how are you finding it

1643
00:59:20,710 --> 00:59:19,359
cool

1644
00:59:23,829 --> 00:59:20,720
what about you

1645
00:59:25,670 --> 00:59:23,839
uh well you see i read this website

1646
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called creepypasta

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i just read some of it

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i got interested so i just decided to

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come with them it's pretty cool here

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anything in particular that struck your

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interest

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well

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i liked everything here basically

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same it was really cool and what about

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you why are you here today just with the

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voice yes i have subscription with the

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website weekend notes so and then i

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found that it will be interesting for

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boys but i don't believe in ghosts and

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other stuff just you know

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so as you can see there might be more

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skeptics at a paranormal and spiritual

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expo than you might suspect i'm signed

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dean and this was a report for the

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thank you for listening to the skeptic

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zone

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and uh thank you joe

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ah it's great that you are running

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around with the microphone

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cutting your teeth with live interviews

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joe i promise next time i'll set the

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microphone correctly in fact i'm going

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to buy you a better microphone i think

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and that's thanks to the listeners of

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the skeptic zone

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some of whom chip in a little bit every

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01:00:51,589 --> 01:00:49,920
week

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some chip in less than a dollar which is

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01:00:56,950 --> 01:00:53,839
great some chip in a little bit more

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01:00:58,390 --> 01:00:56,960
and it's due to the generosity of people

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listening that

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i'm able to buy reporters things like

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microphones every now and then which i

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think is pretty important but

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nevertheless well done joe what an

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01:01:10,470 --> 01:01:07,599
interesting report

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wow that aura reading machine guy was he

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01:01:14,789 --> 01:01:12,799
was a lot of fun coming up next week on

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01:01:16,470 --> 01:01:14,799
the skeptic zone we have

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01:01:17,910 --> 01:01:16,480
i've got no idea that's that's the thing

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01:01:19,430 --> 01:01:17,920
about the skeptic zone sometimes i

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01:01:21,589 --> 01:01:19,440
haven't got a clue

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01:01:23,670 --> 01:01:21,599
i really don't know we'll see something

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01:01:26,470 --> 01:01:23,680
will come up in fact i think there's

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01:01:28,789 --> 01:01:26,480
some stuff from maynard that i've

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01:01:31,109 --> 01:01:28,799
yet to use from some weeks ago that

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might pop up on the skeptic zone

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01:01:37,430 --> 01:01:32,319
or maybe

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he does from time to time i think we'll

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01:01:41,270 --> 01:01:38,960
all have to tune in next week to find

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01:01:43,430 --> 01:01:41,280
out but for this week this is richard

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01:01:48,470 --> 01:01:43,440
saunders signing off from sydney

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01:01:54,030 --> 01:01:50,150
you've been listening to the skeptic

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01:01:56,390 --> 01:01:54,040
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